I too used to equate cigarettes with morning coffee and going to the bar. I used to be a pack+ a day smoker, but not any more. That said, I still enjoy a cigar. The restaurants that I worked at don’t allow smoking due to state laws. This causes the bar patrons to stand outside, looking like guilty pariahs.
As for the dining experience, I don’t care if the place is smoke free as I figure that I can go for an hour or two without smoking. If it is alcohol free, that is okay too as long as the food is good.
Any smoker who avoids a restaurant due to smoking restrictions has a serious problem. Face it, if it is a state restriction, they will eventually HAVE to break down and go out to eat. How are they able to fly cross country?
I think that your concerns were big issues other cities in the nation where smoking was prevalent. After going cold turkey they managed to survive and prosper. I think that bars are the only places that had a decline in business after the change. They addressed that problem by having a outdoor space that protects the customers from the elements.
I am smoking a cigar right now and I still say ‘Go for it.’
Of course the coffee drinkers/smokers are giving me a hard time about all of this. They are betting on how long we stay open after August 1st with out smoking allowed.
The smokers who eat for the most part say they will be back.
This should be very interesting!
But the customer count shows non-smokers are out numbering the smokers!
But my stomach is still flip flopping! [:D]
… " AND in cars with children in them! Now that really bothers me!"
Smoking in cars with children really bothers me. I think that should be illegal everywhere, without a second thought.
Good luck on the changeover, I think it’ll go well and good luck on quitting yourself. When I quit a two and a half pack a day habit thirty years ago, my brother and I made a bet (for dinner of course 🙂 and neither of us has smoked since. A friend also was part of that wager, didn’t succeed and still smokes to this day.
I had tried several times previously, but this time I had switched to Vantage (like inhaling air then, but would probably do a job on me now) from Marlboro. I think the switch made it a little easier. What also helped for me was to not think about how long I would be suffering attempting to quit, but to think that as long as I don’t light up, I’ve already succeeded. The process was over. Of course the withdrawal symptoms were still there, but I believe that mindset is what made it successful.
Again, best of luck to you…
NJ just went smoke free April 15th! (except for the casinos………that’s not right, is it?
They are too powerful) There is already a 20 year veteratn casino "floorperson" employee, Victor Hennick suing cause he has lung cancer, and never smoked (just 2nd hand smoke!!!)
I lived in CA for awhile, and got spoiled there as well, with the NS laws..
It’s funny, cause I was just at the Amtrak Train Station in Philly, and almost told someone "you’re not supposed to be smoking here", but then I realized that YES, they were legal. PA is not politically correct yet.
No "crime" was being commited. But it sure felt like there was….
I have never smoked in my life. Doctors tell me that I have Emphysema. How fair is that? I could never tolerate smoke. In my early years I worked in an office where everyone smoked but me, it was so bad that I passed out one day. I didn’t know better at the time but that should have been a reason to leave the job.
This past Friday, my husband and I entered a restaurant, immediately I complained of the smoke, of course the staff bent over backwords to open a window to ease my discomfort. We were seated in the non-smoking section but the area still reeked of smoke.
The next morning we stopped at a small diner for breakfast. Again, the smoke was intolerable, we turned around and walked out and traveled a bit further to another diner, there was smoking and non-smoking sections, we were seated in the non-smoking, the air was fine until bikers entered the joint and proceeded to smoke, needless to say, I was out of there in a flash.
We will continue from now on, to leave any establishment that allows smoking to overtake the non-smoking area.
Congratulations ‘donecookn’ on your decision to go smokeless!
I’ve read stories like this all over the country (mainly from the goverment forcing their strong arm)… But from what I’ve read, business take a dip in sales for a few days, then swing right back to where they where. Some owners like it also because of a quicker turnaround. People not hanging out smoking leave quicker, thus freeing up a table for the next customer…
Being a smoker it really dont bother me… Only non smoking places I will not visit are the ones that serve alcohol. Gots to have a smoke with that mixed drink!
I smoke, and it’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever done. I’m trying to quit, and would welcome a smoke-free restaurant in my town (I don’t smoke in restaurants anyway). It really is a disgusting habit and I could kick myself for ever starting. [V]
Thank you ALL so much!
I never expected such positive answers!
Ok August 1 here we go!
Best wishes with the changeover. Maybe some "Now Smoke-Free!" advertising is in order? Smoking has been forbidden in California restaurants for so long that I forgot it wasn’t that way everywhere. A cross-country trip a couple years ago was a culture shock – especially for my kids. They’d NEVER seen people smoking in a restaurant. One place literally made my older boy physically ill (he’s slightly asthmatic). So, you know where my sympathies lie.
As for converting yourself to smoke-free: ask your doctor about Zyban. Hubby used it about 7 years ago with relative ease and great success. Best $120 we ever spent! Quitting will be easier for you working in a non-smoking environment. Best wishes with that part, too!
Gotta put my two cents in (kindly disregard the pennies as the ramblings of an old man). I’m an old, retired professor, and one of the "luxuries" I allow myself is a good cigar now and then (Cuban, when my son can bring me a few from Canada [:I])
But, I would NEVER impose my "smoke" upon someone else. I smoke my cigars outdoors, away from people, and in private. I EXPECT other people to DO THE SAME!
My wife and I WILL NOT patronize a restaurant that permits smoking (even segregated smoking), nor will we stay in a hotel that allows smoking (ANYWHERE on the property)!
Neither she nor I can TOLERATE the disgusting smell of stale cigarette smoke.
Enough said (preached … [:D])
I live in NC. We will be the last to go smoke free. Cruise through eastern NC and see all the acres of tobacco plants. Maybe Virginia will be last but we be one of the last.
As to restaurants going smoke free of theri own accord…you’ll get my business. I’m allergic to tobacco smoke and must refrain from being around it. Makes travel to the far east a challenge. I swear even the dogs smoke in China.
I do agree smokeing should be banned in restautrants and bars however. The employees should not be subjected to this danger. I can put w/ it for a meal but what about the bartender or waitress who swims in it for forty to fifty hours per week.
August 1 we go smoke free.
Now if I can get myself to go smoke free with it all! lol
Actaually its not funny I lost my older sister Nov. 2005 to cancer.
your business will probably increase, without smokers. one reason, you said your customes are 65yrs. probably many of them have not left you, but have left their bodies, due to smoking illnesses. hhmmm…
its a fact, non-smokers will be your customers longer.
i have lost many friends due to smoking illnesses. enough for me to wake up! i put down the cig, a few yrs ago. i worry everyday, that i didnt stop soon enough. i cant imagine death at the hand of my own addiction. think about it……
our gov pays tons of tax dollars for medical treatments to treatsmoke related and, second hand smoke related diseases. that, is why the smoking bann.
its a monetary thing. next, they might say pay for your own treatment and pain meds, or suffer..
sorry for the post, but i just want to ‘wake up’ someone.
go to http://www.thetruth.com
and learn a ton….
donecookn, i think you should do it fast, like a band-aid and get it over with. then, let us help yo with the business decline issue.
find a non-partisan, and have them rate your establishment. create your own form, with many aspects of interest. food, surroundings, service.e.t.c.
this may help you determine some keys.
As a business person, I have a strong belief in a market-driven economy (NAFTA haters, don’t kill me). But I wonder, if the smoking bans hadn’t been enacted, would anyone have tried the smoke free life for their establishments? I think they’d have been prevented from it by the very trepidation that the original poster is feeling. Would you even be considering it if there were no success stories to lead the way, donecookn?
Personally, I’m very happy that many establishments are now smoke free. I like a bar atmosphere occasionally, especially if there’s a sporting event with local interest being televised. The ban and its outgrowth have given me more options. I’d never go anywhere where smoking is allowed. Hate the smell and the way it clings, even after I’ve washed everything–twice. I don’t hate smokers, just the smell.
My daughter graduated from college in June, and we had hotel reservations for the relatives made six months in advance. When we went to check in, they had the rooms, but "unfortunately" one of them was a smoking room. We’d specified non-smoking and that fact was reflected on the confirmation we had with us.
At that point, they "found" the other non-smoking room. I think they were running low on non-smoking rooms and decided to try to pry some loose from people who had more than one, or something. Imagine trying to clean your things after they’ve been steeped in that smell for 72 hours. Blech! There is just no way..
Good luck and I hope you choose smoke free so I can come visit you.
P.S. FieldThistle, I have to say your position on the controversy is one of the most balanced, practical and generous I have seen. Nice!
Thanks so much for the comments.
I do believe Pa. will soon force all restaurants to go smoke free.
I am indeed a smoker and this has been a huge decision for me.
Business has fallen off the last 2 years to the point of desperation. We began counting our smoker non-smoker custoners and to our astonishment discovered there are more non-smokers now than smokers. Out of 128 counted in a few hours 84 were non-smokers.
It dawned on me that maybe I am isolating the business by allowing smoking and that if I went smoke free it would open the door to a new customer base. I did some statistic hunting and found out Pa. population is less than 25% smokers and the 65+ crowd who we cater to is around 10% smokers. In my mind I thought maybe we are missing the boat! Of the customers I talked to the ones who really gave me a hard time about going smoke free were the coffee only drinkers. For the most part the money spenders (the food eaters) said if they couldn’t go one hour with out a smoke there was something wrong.
I agree the place will get a good scrubbing just prior to going smoke free. We only seat 58 and there is no way to divide the dinning room to have a non-smoking section. As I said I am a smoker and this is going to be hard on me. We do not serve liquor so there is no problem there. We will be the second small restaurant in the area to go smoke free. The Kings about 8 miles from me is smoke free and they are doing just fine. And too now the Pa. Restaurant Association has changed their position on smoking and will now lobby for non-smoking in public eating places. Personally I dislike the thought of the gov. mandating smoking. I have a friend who lives in Australia and not only has smoking been banned in public eating places it has been banned on the beaches AND in cars with children in them! Now that really bothers me!
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