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Sorry for not reporting in sooner but I have been a little busy – Thanksgiving and all…
The night was frankly a bust – the crowd was a bunch of no money having kids and terrible music.
I will not be doing that venue ever again. I froze as well – I set up at 5pm and went to 10pm. It seemed like an eternity. I was the only food and drinks there but no one had money – I got kids trying to haggle with me for a discount – it was crazy.
Luckily I did go on the conservative side and did not invest too much – everything went into the freezer when I got home. I have a lot of drinks left over but oh well. Live and learn.
I am glad I did it because you never know what might have happened – No regrets – the operation and set up was very good – all I needed was some people with money and a hunger for Hot Dogs. Next time.
Thanks for all of your input and advise – I will not hesitate to ask a question if I need any more help for the next time [8D]
Well…the gig was 5 days ago. I wonder how it went?
The Space is small – they could not fit anymore than 400 (if that)- they do not have a beer permit and have no food. They are not selling anything. Its a new venue that has a stage and not much more. My cart will be outside.
I guess I should explain that they are not main stream at all – deathmetal might be one word?
At any rate – it will be at least 200 – 400 max – Please answer my questions if you can…
Max,
If it was me, I would pre-purchase enough food for 100 full servings. Also have a trusted runner on hand to go get more food if/when needed. The drinks and prepackaged items, I would go ahead and load up right from the get-go.
I would plan on getting food in 50 serving increments. Yeah, you may have to make 4 trips through the course of the evening, but that is a small price to pay for the education you’ll receive to be better prepared for the next event.
That’s just me
Good luck. Mike
Edit to add; Start with 100 servings, after selling 50, send for another 50.
Again with the thanks – all of your suggestions are being thoughtfully considered.
I think we could start a new thread with the question of “how much for a water?” $1 or $2
I might kick myself afterwards but I am still leaning towards a $1.00 just because of the crowd I think will be attending.
Also personally I have never bought a water for more than a $1 ever and I think anything over that would be to much. I know I am not everyone and some would pay more but I like to feel good about my prices. I feel good right now.
This is the first time at this venue so I want to try to be a little conservative on my prices (this time) I can always raise them at the next one if I think they can handle them.
Wilddog/Arnie – Yeah as I get closer I am realizing that I cannot have too many drinks. If I don’t sell them all I can keep them.
If I get stuck with a whole bunch of hotdogs and buns then I have a little problem but drinks can stay in storage along time.
I just did a trial run today and it went great (I just cooked eight hot dogs) and no complaints (the kids ate them). I will have one person cooking and another on condiments (free help is hard to turn down, but they just want me to succeed). I will be the cashier and drinks. I think it will be ok. I also connected with someone who is a member at Costco. We will do the final shopping that morning.
Walmart will be there for any emergency runs.
I feel pretty good – thanks to all of you
Special thanks to Jerry for helping me out behind the scenes – It was very useful info and I am grateful for his experience.
Your doing an event and need to charge accordingly. $2 for water is a fair price at any event. At an event I wouldn’t sell anything for $1. Just my 2cents. Good Luck
LOVE YOU GUYS –
6star – thanks for the heads up about the air – I have never had to freeze dogs before so I did not know that
localnet – I appreciate the sentiment and the take no prisoner attitude, but I have to agree with what Tasty is saying. I don’t want anyone coming away thinking I am trying to rip them off with inflated prices or that my time is more important than theirs is. If they want to take a second to make a choice from buying a cheaper item to a more expensive one then by all means go for it.
I have already widdled my regular menu and choices down to the bare bones for speed and for what I am expecting the crowd will be.
I hope to be back (this is my first time) here and I will see some of this people on the corner so I don’t want to change my practices too much e.g. charging “State fair” prices when there is no State fair. It might be different if was not the only vender there – then the prices are set by a consensus, but since I am alone then I set the standard and I don’t need the rep of being “that guy”
You know I really hope to be sold out before the end (@1am) but I guess I do need a game plan for the end – more thinking…
The Space is small – they could not fit anymore than 400 (if that)- they do not have a beer permit and have no food. They are not selling anything. Its a new venue that has a stage and not much more. My cart will be outside.
I guess I should explain that they are not main stream at all – deathmetal might be one word?
At any rate – it will be at least 200 – 400 max – Please answer my questions if you can…
Tasty Dogs – thanks I knew water is going to be important – do you have a rough idea on how many cases for that many people?
Have a lot of water available. It’s cheap and you’ll sell 3 times what you think’
Jerry
First I’d try to get a better fix on the crowd size. Doesn’t sound like a lot of people with 8 bands – 3 touring nationally performing. You say the venue is limited? They must charge a ton of $$$ for a ticket! 8 bands would cost the promoters a ton. It doesn’t add up. Is it in or outside? Is alcohol being served? Are you sure you’re the only vendor?
Hi I have been a lurker on this site for months and have taken many great ideas to heart.
I haven’t needed to ask anything until now.
I have been relatively small time doing 20-30 dogs at a time and I have been doing alright.
I now have an opportunity to do an event that is show casing 8 bands – 3 have been touring nationally.
They are excepting between 200-400 people (big time for me!) in this space. They are stretching the max occupancy.
They sell no food or drinks – I will be it. The event kicks off at 5pm and goes to 1am.
I have trimmed my menu down to the following:
Classic Hot Dog
Polish Sausage
TofuDog – vegetarians are expected
Chips
Soda
Water
Candy/Cookies/Gum
My question is how much should I buy? without being stuck with a lot of waste – that I could not normally move.
How much of a float should I start off with? Everything except the Candy/Cookie/Gum is rounded to the nearest $.
Any advise would be great – I know I am forgetting to ask something…
Your help will be much welcomed –
Thank you, Max
Reading this brings shades of Big Red Lunch Box doing music festivals
He should chime in.
Hello all ,
Good luck with the event and be sure to let us all know how you did , what worked , what could be done better , you get the idea
Benzee
Based on your stated experience level in moving product and an expected 200-400 crowd , I would tend to lean more on the conservative side.
My logic:
For example using Vienna 8/1, I would take 160 hot dogs (2 cases at two 40ct bags/case) , 160 buns, and enough condiments to support. I chose these numbers because selling OUT 160 hot dogs would be a worthwile endeavor and reduce your risk of waste. The number you choose should depend on how many hot dogs you have once you open the box. In my case, when I open a bag it has 40 hot dogs in it. I can’t take frozen product to an event because it takes the cart temps down too far and takes to long to bring back up to temp. Also, I don’t like to re-freeze opened bags of hot dogs, especially in a cart environment. So I open 40 at a time and what I don’t sell I take home to eat myself. Also, my cart takes longer to heat up in the winter than in the summer, so that is also a factor in using thawed product versus frozen. Although it doesn’t seem like it, managing your product to reduce waste is where you make your money.
Perhaps try a different approach:
Take plenty of water and drinks as they can be reused if not sold. For this event, consider shifting your mindset away from being primarily a hot dog vendor that also has refreshments to a refreshment vendor who has a few hot dogs on hand if somebody is hungry. At the event you describe, I’d rather sell 300 drinks and 100 dogs versus 300 dogs and 100 drinks. Take a reasonable # of hot dogs that would provide a nice little profit and sell them out. If you sell out in the first three hours then great, you made your money and don’t have any waste. Remember, you still have a lot of drink on hand and what doesn’t sell is good for another mission.
Don’t fall into the “I’m the only vendor trap” and end up taking too much product.
If you are working your cart by yourself, selling 160 dogs and managing your product and money is a lot of work. Selling 20 dogs per hour is one every 3 minutes so in an 8 hour evening, at that rate, you would hit the 160#. One dog every three minutes doesn’t sound like much but when you consider adding product and managing your cart, managing drink coolers, handling money, idle chit chat with customers,�� bathroom breaks etc, you will find out that it’s easy on paper but a lot harder in practice. Selling 2 hot dogs per customer would cut you down to 4 hours before you sold out which would be great and put you on cruise control for the rest of the evening.
Taking 500 hot dogs an expecting to sell them all in one evening is a lofty goal and may be doable if you have 2 or 3 people helping you. You will need a continious line at your cart to do it. I’m sure there are vendors on this forum who can do it, but it takes a lot of experience and hard hard work and it’s not easy.
Just food for thought. Good luck to you.
Arnie
Max,
I would go 70-30% dogs over polish. Don’t overcharge just because you think u can. Have some business cards ready, this might lead to other gigs. Be ready for rush when concert is over. Have plenty of dogs ready. Remember, everyone who buys is a customer and deserves a smile and thank you.
Jerry
P.S. We’re in trouble if we think a customer is wasting our time!
Please post your experience here in this thread after the event. Many have been reading and would like to know how it all turns out. Also the info contained will help others down the road.
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