Rents anywhere below 110th. prohibit what most Americans know and love as a "supermarket", a 30,000+ sq.ft. store that has high volume and low margins. (And love of life prevents most from venturing north of Columbia!) Compulsory unionization for enterprises above a certain size probably doesn’t help either.
That said, central Paris shares the same problems, yet the Monoprix chain manages to maintain excellent supermarkets there. Sometimes they go underground; sometimes they rise up; sometimes they are almost hidden. Yes, the aisles are extremely narrow, but the meats and produce would make even Dean and Delucca patrons weep with envy. My favorite at (Metro stop) Charle Michel is partly tucked under an elevated park!
I’ve never been to NYC, let alone Manhattan. But I’m surprised to hear they have smelly, dirty grocery stores. I thought that was isolated to Hawaii…..[xx(]
I like Citarella’s and going to the open air markets at Union Square, as well as the open air market in Brooklyn.
Hey I like these ideas!! I mean it, it is so dumb that you can buy almost anything in Manhattan … except food…
They built a huge Pathmark up in Harlem, and it was quite a big deal, as I recall. The neighborhood really wanted and needed a reasonably priced supermarket, because as others have noted, the bodegas can be pricey.
Reviews on it were good when it opened….but it is a hike from downtown.
NYC seems like a really neglected market for groceries. I suspect it is the high price of real estate as one poster said. What really surprises me is that innovative supermarkets have not come up with a solution. The NYC market is too large to ignore.
Two ideas occur to this Upstate hayseed:
Supermarkets could bus people Upstate to huge and attractive markets where real estate is cheaper. Train might work as well.
The other idea is to bring the supermarket to Manhattan. The last time I looked, it is still an island. Would it really cost that much more to build large supermarket river boats that could go up and down the Hudson daily supplied by upriver distribution centers? Might be even cheaper in the long run rather than having a fixed location store.
Yes, Mr. Golub, I am ready for my seat on the Price Chopper board of directors!
Off-topic but has the Vet said anything about kitty’s food? A friend of ours used to treat her cat with a few nibbles of white tuna every day. Eventually kitty’s thyroid went berserk and the vet said it was the tuna, and that kitty could no longer eat any seafood product because of the iodine. Sadly it was a case of killing the cat with kindness.
FYI – kitty did manage to live a pretty good life despite continuing health problems and outlived her owner. When she finally made it clear to us that it was time to go we gave her a whole can of white tuna laced with kitty valiums before delivering her to the vet. I think her last hours were happy.
OK, now you have inspired me. I’m gonna try it!
My doorman said the FD "thug" was an isolated incident – just one bad apple (a little food joke, there..)
Once you go out to the boroughs, grocery shopping starts to approach what your find in mainland America. (Only the Bronx is on the mainland.) While you still have the bodegas and the "branded" C-Town, Associated, Fine Fare, Met Food, Pioneer, and AIM supermarkets independently owned but supplied by White Rose, Krasdale, or General Trading, you get better markets.
Stop & Shop, Pathmark, ShopRite, Waldbaum’s (owned by A&P), Western Beef (iffy), and Key Food often have free parking lots and quality approaching what you find in the suburbs.
What makes me absolutely crazy regarding stores in NYC is that 9 times out of 10, nothing is has a price on it and no one ever gives you a receipt at the smaller stores unless you ask for one. Never heard of that before.
These stories on NY shopping are so depressing. I guess I hit it! I wonder about the other boros: food shopping in Bklyn, Bronx, Queens and (gasp!) Staten Island…..
or what about other large cities (not suburbs here..) Chicago, Philadephia, etc..
Although I never lived in the city, I lived on Long Island. I remember that, I think it was CBS news, that used to air, Where not to eat. They would do specials on supermarkets that failed health inspections. They would always show the stores in Manhattan.[xx(]
We had Fairway on LI. I loved it and I miss it. Though I can’t complain. The supermarkets down here in FL are pretty good. The Publix by me is always clean, well stocked and always has enough cashiers so there aren’t really long lines, even around the Holiday’s. There’s a Sweetbay near my family on the other coast of FL, and we had one of their "cupcake cakes" for a family party. It rivaled the cakes we used to get at the bakeries on LI and the city.
I also miss Trader Joe’s. I wish they would open one up in FL. I just got back from a visit to NY, with 12 cans of Trader Joe brand tuna cat food in my suitcase. My cats love this stuff! I have an old kitty that is sick(thyroid problems). She only weighs 4 lbs, she used to weigh close to 20lbs! Although she eats her cat food and anything thats not nailed down(people food leftovers, whipped cream, any food left on a plate thats in the sink) She would eat tons of the Trader Joe cat food over anything else. I could only get 12 cans to fit in my suitcase. Yes, I know my cats are spoiled! Trader Joe’s people food is also fantastic. Even though alot of their food is their own private label, it is usually better and cheaper than the name brand in the supermarket.[:)]
There used to be an Associated on Columbus around 89th/90th that was close to us, only moderately disgusting when the refrigerators were working, and best of all none of the employees gave a rats a** about anything. We called it Dissociated.
The weren’t too precise with the price guns and the checkers didn’t have a clue what anything cost, so we could get some good deals there. I remember one time that they had Italian sausage marked .39/lb. A friend and I loaded up our handbaskets. The checker looked and said "thirty-nine cent!? What kinda meat is thirty-nine cent? Unh-unh-unh." then tossed it the bag and looked at us like crazy white boys.
Also, long before "PBRs" became a craze Dissociated had a long-running special of Pabst at $1.69 a six. Cheap beer and 39-cent meat, everything a crazy white boy in the City needs. [8D]
C-Town? Now that was disgusting!
I’m glad to hear that this one is good. Unfortunately, I can recall a number of Associated stores and Pioneer stores that were the pits. Of course, C-Town was worse, but none of them were stores that one would choose to shop in if other choices in the neighborhood were available.
Morton Williams/Associated on 9th and 58th is great, I never have a problem.
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