Wow… Pay the 20 bucks, see the maps, reviews before they make the free zone (if they make it, if not, you get to see the whole 9 yards up front).. If ya dont drop the 20, you’ll be like the majority here and enjoy the discussions and reviews as they come thru. Pretty simple ehh???

PS. The only thing PayPal ever sends you is a receipt, anything else can be considered spam or phishing from a thief..

Hello All,
I’ve been a freeloader[}:)] (and that is a joke) for a little over
a year, and this is the most activity I’ve seen on a post in the Roadfood Insider.
Al has it totally right in my opinion, the ‘insider’is an optional service of this site.
No one should feel like a second-class citizen of this site if we choose not to buy it.
I’ve been tempted to buy the services this option offers, but always put things off.
We really are a family here, even when we snarl and swipe at each other.
I’ve installed a mirror on the top of my computer. When I am responding to a post and
look in the mirror and see a true [}:)] or an [:(!] face, I delete it then or the next morning
after a night of guilt. But then most of my post aren’t as fun as the ones I’ve read in this
thread. Flaming at each other can be amusing and funny as long as too much skin is not burnt.
Oops, my mirror just cracked….seven more posts of bad luck.
Well, this has been an interesting thread, but it reminds me of the tale of when Rudolph Hess
parachuted into England. The Duke of Hamilton brought the news to Churchill was finishing his
dinner. He listened for a moment and then said, "I’m sure this is all interesting but would you
mind seeing me later in the evening? We’re running a Marx Brother picture here now."(story from
the Groucho Letters)
And like Churchill, this is interesting, but I’m off to the Where to Eat Section.
Take Care,
Fieldthistle

fpczyz must keep his personel dictionary in a very personal place. Chow Jim

I do believe this is another case of much ado about nothing. If you want to participate in the OPTIONAL services of the site, like the mapping journals or adding photos, you subscribe to the ‘Insider’ version.
If your interest is to read and post messages in the forums, you do not have to pay a dime. I think that is pretty clear.

Frank , you do have a knack for yanking the crank on folks. Lighten up Please!

On the other hand if anyone has a gripe about paying for the optional services, don’t do it. I was quite happy for almost two years with posting and reading on this site before I decided to subscribe to the OPTIONAL services. Whatever floats your little boat![8D]

PS- Thank You GreyGhost for your civility! I for one appreciate it. We can agree to disagree without all the "other comments".[8)]

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Originally posted by sunnyside up

I certainly have been made to feel like an uninvited guest to the party after all this crap from "fpczyz"! Perhaps I was distracted, or just unaware, that unless I was an "Insider" I was somehow treading on sacred ground, and my posts and opinions were felt to be unworthy. I think I’ll just scroll up to my "favorites" column and do a quick delete of this site.

Don’t worry about Fabushxysaaayz…………….he can be quite a jerk at times……………I believe he thinks he has a sense of humor and then there are those that think he is a pompous —! Fill in the blank!!![:o)][:o)]

If I have been a factor in upsetting the usual gentility of this site I am truly sorry. Stated briefly, my stance is against any automatic renewal unless the member knows about and gives express permission for the automatic renewal. I also believe there should be many ways to pay rather than a single third party payment method. I have absolute trust in the management of this site, if anyone is reading anything else into my previous statements they are wrong. I would much rather pay directly to people I trust than any third party.

I will not respond directly to my detractors. I learned many years ago never to argue with a fool as a passing stranger may come by and be unable to discern the difference

I certainly have been made to feel like an uninvited guest to the party after all this crap from "fpczyz"! Perhaps I was distracted, or just unaware, that unless I was an "Insider" I was somehow treading on sacred ground, and my posts and opinions were felt to be unworthy. I think I’ll just scroll up to my "favorites" column and do a quick delete of this site.

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Originally posted by fpczyz

how on earth can I make it any clearer then this. I did not say every non-Roadfood Insider Member are "freeloaders"……………….. I called Greygost a freeloader ONLY Greygost not you Jimeats, not you SassyGritsAL, not you Ciaoman, and not any one else that’s a contributor to this great web site ……………….. Please, is that clear????

Not so much.

Tell us what made you decide that Greyghost is a freeloader, and then we’ll determine if some or all of the rest of us are also freeloaders using that same criteria

More to the point – if your criteria for GG fits Jimeats, SassygritsAl, ciaoman, or anyone else – you were implictly rather than explicitly calling all those other members a freeloader as well.

Look up the words "implicit" and "explicit" if you require clarification.

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Originally posted by fpczyz

If all your looking for is a fight

The person "looking for a fight" is the one who throws out the first insult. Care to guess who that was?

quote:

Originally posted by fpczyz

GreyghostAs a freeloader you sure have a lot to say about some thing that does not concern you.

As a member here, Greyghost is a potental buyer of said service, so this is VERY MUCH SO a matter that does indeed concern him.

Calling him a freeloader is also incorrect. He makes use of this website and views the same ads the rest of us do when he comes here.By becoming a member here, that’s the "cost" he agreed to. By your definition, I am guessing anyone who watches broadcast tv is a freeloader too….after all, they pay nothing to watch the programs. So….nothing could be further from the truth, and I think you owe GG an apology.

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Originally posted by fpczyz

and a little ingenious as a free guest here to be so critically of your host. I have a very good idea for you, why dont you hit the road and start your very own food web site where you can be as critical as you like……….. all by your lonesome self. …………….

Yeah, now I am certain you owe him an apology

That said, no website is perfect. Frankly, the policy of automatic subscription extension – ie, I will take money from you in the future without checking with you – is a bad one from a consumer point of view and is deserving of criticism. I am sure from the admins side it is more about the convenience of an automatic payment and the correlating administrative hassle of doing billing, not about being deceptive and making money in a sneaky or underhanded way, but that doesn’t make it any better from a consumer-side view.

I’ll add that constructive criticism sometimes brings about positive change here, like the recent change in the description of the FFF Forum.

fpczyz, it’s true, you didn’t call all of us "freeloaders." What may have prompted our response was the implication contained in your words. Thanks for clarifying. Speaking for myself, a fight (with the formidable Mr. Hoffman or anyone else for that matter) is not my objective. I’m not a fighter…I’m an eater.

how on earth can I make it any clearer then this. I did not say every non-Roadfood Insider Member are "freeloaders"……………….. I called Greygost a freeloader ONLY Greygost not you Jimeats, not you SassyGritsAL, not you Ciaoman, and not any one else that’s a contributor to this great web site ……………….. Please, is that clear????
If all your looking for is a fight then please go into "Miscellaneous – Off Topic & "Lighter Fare"
and talk to Michael Hoffman…………….. my good friend will oblige you on any subject, he’s the best.

I’m pretty new in these parts so I offer my two cents with some trepidation. Especially in light of the earlier posts.

I too am a "freeloader" if that’s true of non-Insiders. Thus far, though, it appears that only one of us would suggest that that’s the case. I’m dismayed by the hair-trigger responses I’ve seen in this thread–surely we can express our differing points of view w/o including insults and vitriol, can’t we? The poster who had issues with RoadFood’s use of PayPal can say so, as can those who have not. One’s opinion is not validated because one is an Insider. If that’s not true (and I must have missed that when I signed up), then I’d guess that many of us would look for other sites to join…

Thanks for the info, but didn’t need the cliche. How can asking a question, "be shooting before I see the whites of their eyes?". Of course I could dispence one of my own, from the immortal words of Rhet Butler, "Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn." [V][:D]

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SassyGritsAL Posted – 08/10/2006 : 14:18:57
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Who are considered "freeloaders" here at RoadFood? I thought I was at a site where I could discuss food, great places to eat, etc. I didn’t know that I "had" to buy into anything.

Sassy, your misunderstanding……………. This is a free site for all………….. I am only calling Grayghost a freeloader because he was unkindly criticizing something that was free to him ……… You my dear are shooting before you see the whites of their eyes.

Well just slap me silly and call me Pinocchio. Who are considered "freeloaders" here at RoadFood? I thought I was at a site where I could discuss food, great places to eat, etc. I didn’t know that I "had" to buy into anything. This is a serious question and could one of the mediators please answer. Thanks so much.