Just got a set of coupons in the mail from the "King" for a buy-one-get-one offer. Double, triple and quad stackers included for the buy-one-get-one.
If one Quad stacker is bad, is two of them more badder (sic)?[:p]
I will try a double stacker soon though. BYO defribultors on my part.
"Yumbo" was a hot ham and cheese sandwich sold by BK circa 70s-80s and maybe after.
what is a bk yumbo anyone?
That’s pretty bad. But it isn’t like similiar burgers made at any other chain (or nonchain!) would be any healthier for you…!
I have worked in food service at all levels, from sweeping the parking lot at that famous Scottish place McDonalds to 5 star restaurants and I can tell you that in general, the "corporate" restaurants often have far better food handling and cleanliness standards than other places. I am not suggesting this makes them superior, but most fast food places have a definitive routine for cleaning and maintaining appropriate hygiene standards. Few of the private places I worked at had such routines or standards. I worked for a catering company that served meals at the White House, and their kitchen made the average fast food places look like a hospital surgical suite! The food sure was fine though!
The same goes for employees. The fast food places all have some degree of training. It may just be watching a video or looking through a book, but it is more than I have ever seen in most small or private places. My "training" in private places usually consisted of getting started and learning on the go. Smaller places often don’t have the luxury of paying people to sit around and "be trained". They need help NOW!
Like you, I enjoy the experience of eating in non-chain places, and avoid fast food whenever a better option exists. I just don’t think many of the arguments folks put forth against them are valid.
As for the social ills that lead people to exist on a fast food diets, poverty isn’t really a good excuse. Feeding 4 people at a fast food joint will take at least $20, and their are plenty of other options for $20. The real problem is laziness. While waiting for food the other day at my local Chinese restaurant I saw a kid of about 10 drive up in a taxi, get out and pick up several bags of fast food to take home in the cab. Now there are several levels of lazy, (but not poverty) in there! I understand it, as often when my wife works late and I finish work and then have to make dinner, the temptation to pick up some takeout is strong, but I know I can do better at home.
As for why stores in some areas don’t stock "healthy foods", that can be a chicken vs. egg matter. Sure you can say it is some conspiracy to deprive people of a healthy diet, or you can also view it as the store giving the people what they want. A store isn’t going to stock things it can’t sell. Certain grocery stores in my area cater toward Latinos, and have many different items that simply wouldn’t sell in other neighborhoods. Conspiracy or just normal business practices? I guess it depends who you ask.
Anyway, I have strayed a long way from the BK Stacker. I do like those TV commercials!
I really like your expression "you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him eat a salad". That is good!! [:D]
Right Tony, but they have better ingredients to work with and probably have more training and guidance- people who own their own business and really have it all on the line are going to want to put out a consistently good product, so it’s in their best interest to make sure their workers, no matter how old or how much prior experience, are well-trained. You have a better chance of avoiding food poisoning going to a small family-owned place than a big chain because they don’t have corporate lawyers and corporate money to take care of lawsuits.
I’m not saying people who get most of their meals from fast food places will be better off health-wise if they went to a local place rather than a chain (you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him eat a salad) but there is a greater problem here with people whose main source of nutrition comes from any fast food place- poverty, lack of education, exploitation by the chain fast food places (see this: http://www.prb.org/Template.cfm?Section=PRB&template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=13932) problems that are ignored by the government and social services.
Good question, Tony. Fast food places definitely have those options now, which I think is a good thing. Whe I was a kid in the early 80s, FF very rarely if ever offered salads, low fat sandwiches, yogurt and fruit/milk for kids. My love for the local "roadfood" places is based on two things. One, food that actually tastes good and hasn’t been processed in a factory somewhere but made from scratch on site that day or the day before. Two, that those who make the roadfood care about the food they make, meaning that their work isn’t all about the dollar. Most if not all FF franchises have to conform to the corporate parent and fall in line with the practices that make the chain profitable. True, many road food places have food on their menus that isn’t healthy to eat every day, but in moderation I think its a good thing. With FF chains, they are ubiquitous and almost impossible to miss. When I say caring, I don’t mean in a touchy, feely, love-in kind of way, but many road food places cook food that is regional specialty ie: local fish, local beef, vegetables from the farmer/market down the street. Sometimes buying from local people they know and getting ingredients from the community when possible. The vision for most roadfood places doesn’t include conquering the globe with their food, sales reports, and making more money than most third world countries, but rather upholding a tradition that was in their family or community. I don’t know many roadfood establishments wthat have CEOs or are living large on their profits. Most of those who have, have earned it after building up an institution for the past 30-40 years and put a lot of heart into what they did. I’m willing to bet that the corporate CEOs who came in and ran a FF chain for a few years then got a golden parachute when they left spent much more time talking to stockholders and looking at sales projections than they ever did discussing the merits of fresh ingredients vs. frozen and what Bob did last week when he came in for his morning ham and grits. I love my BBQ, meat and three’s, lobster shacks, ice creams parlors, and various other roadfood places, but I don’t feel the need to eat at one of them every day of the week. I try to eat healthy: make my own lunch for work, get a salad with lots of veggies, cook at home some nights of the week (I love to cook anyway). I know I’ve got a lot of years to get to many roadfood places that I will enjoy and don’t need to eat that way all the time.
They do have those options. One day, just for the sake of science, go see how many people actually order them. You’ll find it ain’t many. I stopped at Wendy’s with my kids over the weekend. They had a turkey sandwich, cup of mandarin oranges, and lowfat milk. Most places offer similar choices, as well as a host of salads. What you seek is already there.
I share your enthusiasm for local places, but if you look thru the menus posted for most of the places listed on this site, you’ll find far fewer healthy choices than the average fast food place. How does that fit into the "caring" portrait you paint?
I find that many roadfood places hire those same ignorant nosepicking teenagers you speak so well of.
Kind of got off the topic of the original post.
I agree Billyboy; between Supersize Me and Fast Food Nation, I’ve avoided chain fast food places for several years now…I do occasionally go to places like Subway, but at least it’s a little more healthy than the burger places (as long as you don’t put cheese or mayo on it) and you get to watch them make the food, so I trust the quality and food safety a little more.
Why go to someplace like McDonald’s, BK, whatever and get some low-quality, greasy, dried out, cold, thin rubbery meat, on a soggy bun with not enough veggies (and the ones that are there are half-spoiled), made by some ignorant teenager who was probably picking his nose (or worse) before he made your sandwich, contribute to these soul-less corporations that contribute to the environmental problems we have in the world (cutting down rainforests for ranching, encouraging a disposable society and urban sprawl, non-sustainable agriculture, etc.) and contribute to our society’s health problems (hmm, more advertisements for FF places in poor neighborhoods, what a surprise!)
Oh, now they’ve put four of these meat patties on a bun? Where do I sign up?
Paying an extra couple of bucks for higher quality food, supporting a local business and having a unique experience is worth it! And they have better salads!
My gripe isn’t with healthier food being offered alongside the other menu options. I agree with you that it is a good thing. What I’m complaining about is when a new menu option is introduced (such as the quad stacker) people go nuts over it and lash out against Burger King, when they can either just not go there or go there and buy a salad or something.
Exactly, and no one is forced to eat the "healthy" options on the menu either. I’m just saying that people going to a fast food place should have an option other than "three OR four all-beef patties" or "fries or larger fries" with that. It’s difficult for someone to walk into a FF place and make a "personal choice" between healthy and unhealthy food if the unhealthy is all that there is to choose from. Sure, they could go somewhere else, but most fast food place are about convenience. People on their lunch break from work, or don’t have time to sit down at a restaurant or cook a meal because the kids have soccer/piano/insert extracurricular activity here that evening. Believe me, fast food places offering healthy choice like salads, baked potatoes, and such aren’t doing so just because of pressure (probably in part), but because they know there is a market for it. No chain introduces a new item unless they have had about a year of focus groups, research groups, and tests telling them that it is going to sell and consequently make them money. My big beef with most chains is that their passion is only to the dollar and not to creating truly good food. To me, good food is about caring what goes into the food, and the experience people have when they go to a place to eat it. FF is so impersonal. I spent about 8 months traveling the U.S. with a children’s theater group and ate at many regional "roadfood" style places and kept a hard copy journal of what I ate and the people I met. Just thinking about those places and the people I met brings a smile to my face. I’ve never had a FF experience bring a smile to my face years later.
Did you actually watch Supersize Me or are you just stating stuff you heard about the movie? If you watched it you would realize that he didn’t only eat Big Mac meals….he had everything on their menu at least once. He ate breakfast, lunch and dinner there. There are no Big Mac meals offered at breakfast. Secondly, he ONLY..repeat…ONLY super sized the meal if the person taking his order asked him if he would like it super sized. You left out the fact of what it did to his liver in the process. Do you honest think there are people who eat at McDonald’s every day? I for one think there are. What it did to his liver was worse than someone who had drank excessive alcohol everyday for a very long period of time. I’m not saying that it’s McDonalds fault, and the same would happen if you ate fast food in the fashion that he did but who is the public going to listen about…McDonalds or Captain D’s.
Just stating the facts….
Ok so maybe I was wrong about the Big Macs but it’s all basically the same anyway. And no, I don’t honestly believe there is anyone alive who eats at Mc Donald’s three times per day every day. My whole argument throughout this post has been that food consumption is a personal choice. All one could and should do is live their life and make their own personal choices… not try to make choices for other people because you think you know whats best for them. Everyone needs to stop pestering fast food chains because nobody is forced to go to them or order anything they don’t want to have. Live and let live.
Take a look at the book Fast Food Nation and it’ll give a you a pretty in depth idea of how the fast food industry is connected and has a major influence on how so many people eat and the farming industry (beef and potatoes in particular). I personally boycott McDonalds on the principle that there is so much good, homemade food around me that is cooked by people who actually care about what goes into their creations and have a passion for it. The whole fast food industry is predicated upon the belief that most people (correctly) don’t like change and are afraid to try new and strange things. Its a multi billion dollar industry that guarantees you will get the same meal in Augusta, ME, Tampa, FL, San Diego, CA, Seattle, WA and all points in between. McDonalds is, behind the U.S. government, the #2 purchaser of satellite imagery. They use it to pinpoint the best sites for new franchises based on traffic patterns. Good business for sure, but the ability to have so much influence on what and how we eat and all that money to me should translate into a product that hasn’t been processed to the point of adding artificial flavors to to make the food taste like what it is supposed to in the first place. It seems to me that fast food is the antithesis of what Roadfood is all about. Exploring new, strange, different foods made by people who do a few things and do them well. Every once in a while I do get a craving for a fast food fix, then I remember "Two For the Road" and I try to find a new place to go, run by someone with a vision for good food, simply prepared. My two cents (and then some)!
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