Twinwillow, I do remember Kreuz’s and Smitty’s. They both have good reputations. However, I have never happened to eat at either one so I did not mention them. I will mention, that I understand they are both more of the old ‘meat market’ school while Black’s and City Market have sides and sauces. I’ll eat anywhere that the food is good but I see from the reviews and reports that some roadfooders have very strong feelings about the kind of barbeque place they prefer to visit. So I thought I’d mention it.